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Friday, April 29, 2005
The 127.0.0.1 Hacker!
If true, this is so damn funny! (via /.):
Somewhere on IRC channels, a German guy called bitchchecker, a self-proclaimed hacker turned out to be an utter Moron (Original Link). His skills as hacker came to fore when he crashed his own system. Apprently, what transpired is this: Guessing how big a hacker bitchchecker was, the supposed 'victim' Elch handed bitchchecker 127.0.0.1 as his IP! And there went bitchchecker trying to hack Elch at 127.0.0.1!!
Don't you just love this guy! LoL! Maaan, Can't stop laughing! Whoever said that not knowing 127.0.0.1 is loopback address is not a crime? :) Oh, the scriptkiddies, go to your mama! And also names like bitchchecker don't suit you kids!
As an aside, check this amazingly funny comment out from /.
#Cthon98# hey, if you type in your pw, it will show as stars
#Cthon98# ********* see!
#AzureDiamond# doesnt look like stars to me
#Cthon98# #AzureDiamond# *******
#Cthon98# thats what I see
#AzureDiamond# oh, really?
#AzureDiamond# you can go hunter2 my hunter2-ing hunter2
#AzureDiamond# haha, does that look funny to you?
#Cthon98# lol, yes. See, when YOU type hunter2, it shows to us as *******
#AzureDiamond# thats neat, I didnt know IRC did that
#Cthon98# yep, no matter how many times you type hunter2, it will show to us as *******
#AzureDiamond# wait, how do you know my pw?
#Cthon98# er, I just copy pasted YOUR ******'s and it appears to YOU as hunter2 cause its your pw
#AzureDiamond# oh, ok.
Thursday, April 28, 2005
Wilderness Camp @ Nagarahole Forest -7th & 8th May
"Hi Mr. Anurag Jain
We are pleased to inform you that we are conducting a Wilderness Camp @ Nagarahole Wildlife Sanctuary on 7th & 8th May ( Saturday & Sunday ), the details are as follows. We cordially invite you to take part in the same. If you need any more details, please feel free to be in touch with us.
Ph: 51281478 - Mob: 98456-95350
Wilderness Camp @ Nagarahole Forest
Nagarahole is derived from the combination of two Kannada words 'Nagara' meaning snake and 'Hole' meaning streams and true to its name a number of streams snake through its rich tropical forests. Nagarahole is situated in the picturesque districts of Kodagu and Mysore in southern Karnataka. This place is around 230 Kms from Bangalore. The Nagarahole National Park was first set up in 1955. In 1975 its area was increased to include a greater expanse of forest reserve. Once an exclusive hunting preserve of the erstwhile rulers of Mysore.
Click here for more details Click here for Photographs
Dates : Dep from Bangalore 6th May Friday - 11.00pm - Return 8th May, Sunday, 8.00pm
Fee: Rs.1,800/- per person, which is inclusive of Transportation, accommodation, food, trekking permit, Forest, Entry Fee, equipment Hire Charges, Guides' fee, Game Drive etc.,
Registration: Kindly click here for submitting the Regn form; immediately on receipt of your appn form, we will mail you the confirmation slip with the reporting & other details
CARE, Vijayashree Builing, No.1, 3rd Floor, 18th Cross Malleswaram, Bangalore – 560 055.
Ph: 5128 1478 Mob: 98456 - 95350 URL: www.careadventure.com , Email: firstname.lastname@example.org"
Me and Wipro's Industry Wire
As posted by me earlier, last month Wipro's Industry Wire carried a special feature on "IT in Retail industry". The Industry Wire is produced by Frost & Sullivan.
Sunday, April 24, 2005
Bangalore Bio 2005 and BioZing
Yesterday I delivered a speech at BioZing '05. BioZing is an annual event organized by Pracint, the Entrepreneurship cell of the Institute of Bioinformatics and Applied Biotechnology (IBAB). Pracinct is a member of National Entrepreneurship Network (NEN), which only has five reputed institutions as its member so far. BioZing was taking place alongside Bangalore Bio 2005 at the Palace Grounds. After IT.com, Bangalore Bio has become city's signature business event.
The topic of my speech was Entrepreneurship (with a BioTech flavour). The other two speakers were Ms Kiran Shaw Mazumdar, MD and Chairman, Biocon, and Mr Suhas Gopinath, CEO & President, Globals Inc..
In my speech, I touched upon following broad topics:
# "Who is an Entrepreneur?" is a wrong question. What is Entrepreneurship is the right question.
# What is Entrepreneurship?
# Differentiating between Need-based Entrepreneurship and Opportunity-based Entrepreneurship.
# Why is Entrepreneurship important?
# Linkages between Entrepreneurship and macro-economy.
# What is the process of Entrepreneurship?
# The Traits vs Behaviour approaches of looking at Entrepreneurship.
# Critical factors for Entrepreneurship [with an emphasis on a) People b) Financing]
# Sprinkling of Anecdotes.
I also adjudged the Business Idea competition for the same event. University of Pune students seemed to have an edge when it comes to BioTech ideas!
Overall, it was a nice experience, especially listening to the passionately delivered speech of Ms Shaw on the same topic. The only problem was that my speech was after Ms Shaw's speech and that made the job rather difficult!
Update Dec 04, '05: Including the pic.
Saturday, April 23, 2005
Lotsa stuff happening on the personal aviation front. What is Personal Aviation? PA is a concept and practice of making aviation as affordable as today's cars. Last week or so has been quite hectic on PA activity.
# First off is Air Scooter. From /. : "CBS News has an article, images, and a free streaming video clip of Elwood (Woody) Norris' invention of a working flying machine, AirScooter. He asked one of his test pilots to demonstrate it for 60 Minutes on a hilltop outside San Diego, California. It can fly for 2 hours at 55 mph, and go up to 10,000 feet above sea level. This week, he will receive America's top prize for invention. It's called the Lemelson-MIT award -- a half-million dollar cash prize to honor his life's work, which includes a brand new personal flying machine. Woody Norris' and others' inventions are for NASA's 'The Highway in the Sky.' It is a computer system designed to let millions of people fly whenever they please, and take off and land from wherever they please, in their very own vehicles."
# Second news is about JetPods! manufactured by AvCen
# And then, there's Personal Helicopter!
Via AvWeb: "The CarterCopter prototype has been flying off and on for a few years, but was sidelined by a wheels-up landing and then by an in-flight fire. SkyCar inventor Paul Moller says his futuristic vehicle will fly like a "magic carpet," but so far it has test-flown only while tethered to a crane. But it probably comes closest to the Jetson-style flying car that people imagine the future should bring. Michael Kanellos, of CNET News, speculated last week that flying cars could be the next thing to attract the attention -- and the assets -- of the high-tech billionaires and entrepreneurs who have been funding much of the new space industry."
# And lastly, the SkyCar
I guess Calvin's grudge is finally going to be taken care of!
Thursday, April 21, 2005
Dot-coms and IPOs
Indiainfoline.com IPO seems to be going sort of un-noticed. In the sense that there's not much buzz surrounding the IPO (Full IPO prospectus can be downloaded from SEBI site). What a far cry from heady days of dot-com boom.
The first Indian dot-com to go public was Sify. Sify is India's pioneer & leader in Internet, Networking and e-Commerce services, and the first Indian Internet company to be listed on the Nasdaq National Market in the US. On October 19, 2004, Sify completed five years on the Nasdaq when the CEO and MD Mr.R.Ramaraj opened the Nasdaq Stock Market. I think Sify went public just after it bought Rajesh Jain's Infoworld (for Rs 500 Crores). The section headers Khel, Bawarchi, etc that you see on Sify today were acquired from IndiaWorld.
Another frontrunner Indian dotcom to go public was Rediff must have been the first one to list. Rediff commenced trading on the Nasdaq, June 14, 2000.
I dunno of any other dotcoms that have gone public in India. (maybe Sharekhan and 5paisa?)
Wednesday, April 20, 2005
Carnatic concerts this week by a young vocalist - Pavandeep CK
Pavandeep CK, a student of renowned carnatic musician Sangeet Samrat Shri T. V. Gopalakrishnan, will perform this week at the following venues:
19th April: Venkateshwara Temple – Gokula (MS Ramaiah) @ 6.15 PM
20th April: Sathyanarayana Swamy Temple - VV Puram Circle @ 6.30 PM
21st April: Devagiri Temple – Banashankari @ 6.30 PM.
24th April: Rama Mandiram – Ulsoorpet @ 6.30 PM
Pavandeep is a recipient of scholarships from Ministry of Culture, Govt of India and from the Karnataka Sangeetha Nritya Academy. He has also been honoured as the best musician for the year 2002 – 2003 by the Gayana Samaja, Bangalore and has won various other awards and honours. He is a Grade B artiste with All India Radio and has performed in solo and with his Guru in many places in the US and India.
Film Festival this Weekend in Bangalore
On its second anniversary, Collective Chaos in association with WorldSpace presents a film festival titled Films on Films. Details available at http://www.collectivechaos.org/ff/
Tuesday, April 19, 2005
Aviation Consultant(s) needed
Calling (preferably) Bangalore-based aviation consultants for a feasibility report of a project in aviation sub-sector. Broadly, it'd involve work on aircraft industry and ownership models.
Timeframe: Next 15 days (tops).
If interested, please call me within next 3 days (0900-1900 hrs). No mails please.
Spot the difference!!
As we all know Air India is launching its LCC subsidiary Air-India Express. Now the website of Air-India Express seems to be up and running. Does it look familiar? You bet, it does. Check out Air Deccan's website. Why is Air-India Express website so similar to Air Deccan's? Because the technology provider seems to be the same (look at the bottom left hand corner of both sites!)!
Websites of some other upcoming airlines:
# KF (Kingfisher)
Sunday, April 17, 2005
Quick Bangalore Getaways: Tippagondanahalli & Kalya Caves, Magadi
I just couldn't resist copy-pasting the following articles on two near-by places.
#1 From Times Of India Bangalore; Jan 21, 2005; :Pg 02 - City; : # Picture version # Text version
Ideal spot to picnic in backwaters: TIPPAGONDANAHALLI (aka Thippagondanahalli, Thippagondana halli, Tippagondana halli & Tippa gondana halli)
By Anita Rao Kashi/TNN
Bangalore: If you are at a loose end on a lazy Saturday or Sunday morning and don't wish to go too far from Bangalore, then Thippagondanahalli (T.G. Halli) is the ideal place for a family picnic.
Essentially a reservoir at the confluence of rivers Arkavathy and Kumbavathy, it is about 35 km from Bangalore on the way to Magadi.
Since T.G. Halli supplies drinking water to 20 per cent of the city, entry from the main gate, which leads to the supply and treatment areas, is restricted. But the backwaters can be approached from just outside Magadi town.
Though water sports are generally not encouraged since there are no guards, boating is done intermittently. However, thick foliage and woody areas around the backwaters conceal many hiking and trekking trails. Many enthusiastic bikers eye the area; the winding road to reach the dam backwaters is equally scenic.
The dam is not without history: In 1931, due to increasing population in Bangalore, per capita water availability dwindled to 45 litres and water sources within the city were not sufficient. An expert committee was set up, which recommended building of a dam across Arkavathy.
The task was given to the state's greatest engineering mind - Sir M. Visvesvaraya. The dam, also called Chamarajasagar, was completed and commissioned in 1933. It has been in working condition ever since.
Distance: About 35 km.
How to get there: Take the Magadi Road out of Bangalore and follow it till you reach the reservoir gate; go past it round the bend, past the bridge and climb back towards Magadi on the other side. Half way up the incline look for a muddy road on the right. The road is bumpy and pebbly and will lead you straight on to the water's edge. By public transport: Regular buses ply between Bangalore and Magadi, but there is no stop, so please check with the driver if he will drop you at the turnoff.
Food: Best to carry; Magadi 15 km from dam) or Tavarakere (5 km before dam are the nearest towns, but food in these places is basic at best.
Best time to visit: After monsoon; it could be treacherous during the rains, dry in summer.
Tips: The paths are quite pebbly, so watch your step. It's advisable to go in groups and leave before dark.
Also visit: Ranganatha temple and fort in Magadi. "
(Update [26th June '05]: Srini's article on T G Halli in Deccan Hearld.)
#2 From Times Of India Bangalore; :Apr 15, 2005; :Pg 02 - City: # Picture version # Text version
"WEEKEND RETREAT-XV Kalya Caves, Magadi
Explore these hidden realms
By Paawana Poonacha/TNN
Bangalore: Rock climbing, cave exploration or a relaxing swim in the clean blue pond, packaged beautifully in the thick rocky hills, offering offbeat adventure for a perfect weekend getaway. For trekking and rock climbing enthusiasts scouting for some daring daylight adventure, the 10-acre (approx) rocky retreat at Kalya caves near Magadi town could be an ideal place.
Kalya rocky hill abounds in caves, two cave temples, a placid lake and a good number of wells. According to locals, Kalya was known to be a centre of learning for the Jains, Buddhists, Vaishnavas and Veerashaivas. The place was earlier known as Kalavaripattana, which is said to have inspired Telugu poet Vemana to write several of his famous poems. Telugu inscriptions on the main Kalya temple prove this school of thought.
While the place is now largely explored for its precariously laid-out multipitch climbs, the two cave temples dedicated to Kalleshwara and Kala Devi still remain an attraction. There is also a deep well at the base of the rocky hill which never dries up even during the most severe drought, say locals.
Paving the way to the top are two routes - one to the Kali Devi temple and the other to Kalleshwara Math. Ascending the rugged path to reach the hilltop is another exciting adventure. Huge monolithic rocks dot the bushy hill. Some have even spotted bears and mongeese deep inside.
A gigantic 20-metre boulder - with its base occupying very little space in comparison to its height and girth - makes a spellbinding spectacle on the hilltop.
The Kalleshwara Matha is a large complex of various temples dedicated to Ishwara, Nandi and Parvathi. Other than the cave temples there are many modern temples. The Kalleshwara Matha has a small court yard and a vast cave under a rock shelter. This cave is large and is called the Guru Matha or the teacher's abode. It is here that the main deity or Kalleshwara is installed in the form of a Linga.
The Kali Devi temple comprises 108 images of various gods and demigods. The intricate sculptures and objects here are catchy. A stone dolmen exists atop a steep rock behind the Kali Devi temple.
The getaway is incomplete without plunging into the clear waters of the pond situated opposite the hillock.
Trekkers often descend down the lake to rejuvenate themselves with a good swim here.
Distance: 56 km from Bangalore, Located near Magadi Town.
How to get there: Buses are available only till Magadi town. Private vehicle recommended to cover another 3 km to reach the caves.
Food: Best to carry.
Best time to visit: Monsoon. "
(Update [26th June '05]: Srini's article on Kalya Caves in Deccan Hearld.)
Saturday, April 16, 2005
Measuring advertising at Retail
POPAI presents Mr Richard Blatt. April 22, 2005, Mumbai.
details here too: 1, 2
Launch of Novell Open Enterprise Server and Novell Linux Desktop.
Enterprise Linux in a box
Uniting Netware and SUSE LINUX, Novell Open Enterprise Server (OES) is a highly available and secure open source platform. When combined with Novell Linux Desktop (NLD), you have a complete Linux-based server-to-desktop alternative to current enterprise offerings. Novell Linux Desktop 9 provides users with all the capabilities they are used to while dramatically reducing licencing costs.
Onward Novell Software will be hosting FREE half-day seminars, to launch Novell OES and NLD. The program includes 11 cities, starting on April 19 in Delhi.
Delhi:Tuesday, Apr 19: InterContinental Eros (formerly Park Royal)
Chennai:Thursday, Apr 21: The ITC Hotel
Mumbai:Tuesday, Apr 26:The Leela
Bangalore:Thursday, Apr 28:The Taj West End
Hyderabad:Tuesday May3: Kakatiya Sheraton & Towers
Pune: Friday, May 6:Le Meridien
Kolkatta: Tuesday, May 10:Taj Bengal
Ahmedabad: Thursday, May 12: Fortune Hotel Landmark
Baroda: Friday, May 13: Taj Residency
Jaipur: Tuesday, May 17: Rajputana Palace Sheraton
Chandigarh: Thursday, May 19: Mountview
09:00 – 09:30am Registration
09:30 – 10:15am Novell Linux Strategy - Keynote
10:15 – 10:45am Mission Critical Network Services on Linux
10:45 – 11:00am Novell Open Enterprise Server in Action
11:00 – 11:30am Morning Tea
11:30 – 12:00am Presentation by Intel
12:00 – 12:30pm NLD - Enterprise Ready Linux Desktop
12:30 – 12:45pm Novell Linux Desktop in Action
12:45 – 01:00pm Questions & Answers
01:00 – 01:45pm Seminar Attendee Lunch
For more information and to register to attend a seminar near you, visit: www.novell.com/apevents/india
Numbers are strictly limited. Register today!
For further enquiries:
TOLL FREE : 1600 225 777
EMAIL : email@example.com
Friday, April 15, 2005
Numa Numa Dance
This video has been doing popular rounds on the Net for sometime now. The extremely-danceable song in the video is "Dragostea Din Tea" by the Romanian pop band "O-Zone". Dwonload it from here.
Thursday, April 14, 2005
The Energy Crisis: 2005 is the top of Production bell curve!
We've been hearing about the impending Oil/Energy Doom scenario for sometime now. But here's an article that paints a particularly grim picture and puts the date on the crisis. Scary to see that the date is so close! Apparently, the peak of global oil production will be reached in 2005! Welcome to the nightmare at The Long Emergency (from the magazine Rolling Stone).
# The United States passed its own oil peak -- about 11 million barrels a day -- in 1970, and since then production has dropped steadily. In 2004 it ran just above 5 million barrels a day (we get a tad more from natural-gas condensates). Yet we consume roughly 20 million barrels a day now.
# The U.S. peak in 1970 brought on a portentous change in geoeconomic power. Within a few years, foreign producers, chiefly OPEC, were setting the price of oil, and this in turn led to the oil crises of the 1970s. In response, frantic development of non-OPEC oil, especially the North Sea fields of England and Norway, essentially saved the West's ass for about two decades. Since 1999, these fields have entered depletion. Meanwhile, worldwide discovery of new oil has steadily declined to insignificant levels in 2003 and 2004.
# Some "cornucopians" claim that the Earth has something like a creamy nougat center of "abiotic" oil that will naturally replenish the great oil fields of the world. The facts speak differently. There has been no replacement whatsoever of oil already extracted from the fields of America or any other place.
# Now we are faced with the global oil-production peak. The best estimates of when this will actually happen have been somewhere between now and 2010. In 2004, however, after demand from burgeoning China and India shot up, and revelations that Shell Oil wildly misstated its reserves, and Saudi Arabia proved incapable of goosing up its production despite promises to do so, the most knowledgeable experts revised their predictions and now concur that 2005 is apt to be the year of all-time global peak production.
Wednesday, April 13, 2005
Sabeer Bhatia @ TiE Bangalore, Thursday 14th April 2005
"Dear Mr. Jain,
Please mark your calendar and register for an exciting TiE Networking Meeting on Thursday, 14th April 2005.
"Real Time Collaboration - The Next Frontier In Business Productivity"
Sabeer Bhatia, Founder of Hotmail.
Sabeer Bhatia is probably India's most prominent and recognizable IT personality. Sabeer grew up in Bangalore and after his early education at St. Joseph's College, he moved to the US on a prestigious scholarship to earn his bachelor's degree at the California Institute of Technology. He followed this up with a master's degree in electrical engineering from Stanford University.
As President and CEO of Hotmail, he guided the company's rapid rise to industry leadership and its eventual acquisition by Microsoft in 1998. Sabeer Bhatia's success has earned him widespread acclaim; The venture capital firm Draper Fisher Jurvetson named him 'Entrepreneur of the Year 1997', MIT chose him as one of 100 young innovators who are expected to have the greatest impact on technology and awarded 'TR100', San Jose Mercury News and POV magazine selected him as one of the ten most successful entrepreneurs of 1998 and Upside magazine's list of top trendsetters in the New Economy named him 'Elite 100'."
Date : Thursday 14th April 2005
Time : 6.45 PM
Place : Vijay Nagar Hall, Taj Residency, Bangalore
Non Member Fee : Rs. 350/-
Participation through registration: Contact Alfio Aquien at alfio AT tiebangalore.org or call 22120009 Xtn-185. TiE Bangalore, 3rd Floor, Divyasree Chambers, Langford Raod, Bangalore 560025. Tel: 91 80 2120009 Fax: 91 80 2072186. "
Please be informed that we have established the AJFO, (Asian Jazz Festival Organization) www.ajfo.com as we believe that Asia needs an organization that can promote Jazz in a wider sense and in a better way. Country founders are Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Hongkong , Korea and Japan while we expect Thailand, Taiwan, China, Vietnam and the Phillipines to follow within the next 3 weeks. All our members are people who are involved or are founders of Festivals in their respective countries. We have so far arround 37 participants from different countries participating.
Please be informed that our first annual meeting will be in Bali, July 15, 16 and 17, 2005.
We are just keeping you posted on the developments and when managers or booking Agents and or promotors are interested to participate please inform us as such preferably
Flattening of the World: This is a not a test!
Real neat article in The New York Times, April 3, 2005: It's a Flat World, After All.
# In 1492 Christopher Columbus set sail for India, going west. He had the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria. He never did find India, but he called the people he met ''Indians'' and came home and reported to his king and queen: ''The world is round.'' I set off for India 512 years later. I knew just which direction I was going. I went east. I had Lufthansa business class, and I came home and reported only to my wife and only in a whisper: ''The world is flat.''
# This has been building for a long time. Globalization 1.0 (1492 to 1800) shrank the world from a size large to a size medium, and the dynamic force in that era was countries globalizing for resources and imperial conquest. Globalization 2.0 (1800 to 2000) shrank the world from a size medium to a size small, and it was spearheaded by companies globalizing for markets and labor. Globalization 3.0 (which started around 2000) is shrinking the world from a size small to a size tiny and flattening the playing field at the same time. And while the dynamic force in Globalization 1.0 was countries globalizing and the dynamic force in Globalization 2.0 was companies globalizing, the dynamic force in Globalization 3.0 -- the thing that gives it its unique character -- is individuals and small groups globalizing. Individuals must, and can, now ask: where do I fit into the global competition and opportunities of the day, and how can I, on my own, collaborate with others globally? But Globalization 3.0 not only differs from the previous eras in how it is shrinking and flattening the world and in how it is empowering individuals. It is also different in that Globalization 1.0 and 2.0 were driven primarily by European and American companies and countries. But going forward, this will be less and less true. Globalization 3.0 is not only going to be driven more by individuals but also by a much more diverse -- non-Western, nonwhite -- group of individuals. In Globalization 3.0, you are going to see every color of the human rainbow take part.
# It was a result of 10 events and forces that all came together during the 1990's and converged right around the year 2000.
# No country accidentally benefited more from the Netscape moment than India. ''India had no resources and no infrastructure,'' said Dinakar Singh, one of the most respected hedge-fund managers on Wall Street, whose parents earned doctoral degrees in biochemistry from the University of Delhi before emigrating to America. ''It produced people with quality and by quantity. But many of them rotted on the docks of India like vegetables. Only a relative few could get on ships and get out. Not anymore, because we built this ocean crosser, called fiber-optic cable. For decades you had to leave India to be a professional. Now you can plug into the world from India. You don't have to go to Yale and go to work for Goldman Sachs.'' India could never have afforded to pay for the bandwidth to connect brainy India with high-tech America, so American shareholders paid for it. Yes, crazy overinvestment can be good. The overinvestment in railroads turned out to be a great boon for the American economy. ''But the railroad overinvestment was confined to your own country and so, too, were the benefits,'' Singh said. In the case of the digital railroads, ''it was the foreigners who benefited.'' India got a free ride.
# The other is a conversation I had with Rajesh Rao, a young Indian entrepreneur who started an electronic-game company from Bangalore, which today owns the rights to Charlie Chaplin's image for mobile computer games. ''We can't relax,'' Rao said. ''I think in the case of the United States that is what happened a bit. Please look at me: I am from India. We have been at a very different level before in terms of technology and business. But once we saw we had an infrastructure that made the world a small place, we promptly tried to make the best use of it. We saw there were so many things we could do. We went ahead, and today what we are seeing is a result of that. There is no time to rest. That is gone. There are dozens of people who are doing the same thing you are doing, and they are trying to do it better. It is like water in a tray: you shake it, and it will find the path of least resistance. That is what is going to happen to so many jobs -- they will go to that corner of the world where there is the least resistance and the most opportunity. If there is a skilled person in Timbuktu, he will get work if he knows how to access the rest of the world, which is quite easy today. You can make a Web site and have an e-mail address and you are up and running. And if you are able to demonstrate your work, using the same infrastructure, and if people are comfortable giving work to you and if you are diligent and clean in your transactions, then you are in business.'' Instead of complaining about outsourcing, Rao said, Americans and Western Europeans would ''be better off thinking about how you can raise your bar and raise yourselves into doing something better. Americans have consistently led in innovation over the last century. Americans whining -- we have never seen that before.''
# Rao is right. And it is time we got focused. As a person who grew up during the cold war, I'll always remember driving down the highway and listening to the radio, when suddenly the music would stop and a grim-voiced announcer would come on the air and say: ''This is a test. This station is conducting a test of the Emergency Broadcast System.'' And then there would be a 20-second high-pitched siren sound. Fortunately, we never had to live through a moment in the cold war when the announcer came on and said, ''This is a not a test.'' That, however, is exactly what I want to say here: ''This is not a test.''
# If this moment has any parallel in recent American history, it is the height of the cold war, around 1957, when the Soviet Union leapt ahead of America in the space race by putting up the Sputnik satellite. The main challenge then came from those who wanted to put up walls; the main challenge to America today comes from the fact that all the walls are being taken down and many other people can now compete and collaborate with us much more directly. The main challenge in that world was from those practicing extreme Communism, namely Russia, China and North Korea. The main challenge to America today is from those practicing extreme capitalism, namely China, India and South Korea. The main objective in that era was building a strong state, and the main objective in this era is building strong individuals.
# We have been slow to rise to the challenge of flatism, in contrast to Communism, maybe because flatism doesn't involve ICBM missiles aimed at our cities. Indeed, the hot line, which used to connect the Kremlin with the White House, has been replaced by the help line, which connects everyone in America to call centers in Bangalore. While the other end of the hot line might have had Leonid Brezhnev threatening nuclear war, the other end of the help line just has a soft voice eager to help you sort out your AOL bill or collaborate with you on a new piece of software. No, that voice has none of the menace of Nikita Khrushchev pounding a shoe on the table at the United Nations, and it has none of the sinister snarl of the bad guys in ''From Russia With Love.'' No, that voice on the help line just has a friendly Indian lilt that masks any sense of threat or challenge. It simply says: ''Hello, my name is Rajiv. Can I help you?''
No, Rajiv, actually you can't. When it comes to responding to the challenges of the flat world, there is no help line we can call. We have to dig into ourselves.
# I repeat, this is not a test. This is the beginning of a crisis that won't remain quiet for long. And as the Stanford economist Paul Romer so rightly says, ''A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.''
Sunday, April 10, 2005
Check this SN Brussels Airlines advertisement out.
Notice that the check-in counter staff is checking in a passenger called Mr Jain. Also, notice 'Anurag' written on the runway. What's my name doing there in this ad?
Well, welcome to the age of personalized viral marketing. This is the latest fad amongst marketers. It's been around for some time now as this is not the first time I've got a personalized specifically-targeted ad. Check this ad out too. It was sent by a Norwegian friend to me, who's got into direct marketing business. The targeted message I had got with this mail was:
Would you mind checking something out for me?: Private Screening for Anurag Jain
This is a unique (and really short) animated movie that you can share with others by email like I am doing here. As you'll see, it could make you literally thousands of dollars over time. More importantly, though, you can help a lot of people have a better life. Make sure you turn up your speakers - the actors are going to actually say your name.
Thanks, Anurag and let me know if you have any questions. I am very excited about this!
Oh, by the way, create your own advertisemt or ad for your friends here at SN Brussels airline website.
Voices from the Waters film festival
Water Journeys, Bangalore Film Society and the Alliance Francaise, Bangalore cordially invite you to the First International Film Festival on Water, Voices from the Waters to be held at the Alliance Francaise between April 13 – 16, 2005.
Stand Up Comedy in Kannada
"We are presenting a Kannada Standup Comedy by Sihi Kahi Chandru on Friday April 22, 2004 at Ranga Shankara. The tickets are priced at only Rs. 49. This is first time ever attempt and first production of Fourth Corner. Would request all of you to be present for the show and encourage our theater endeavor. For further information about the play log on to www.ivcorner.com/play.htm
For all information call Sathish on 98450 31413, Hope to see you at the show, Regards, Sathish."
Saturday, April 09, 2005
Call Center Employees Hack US Bank Accounts
# Via /.: "Call center employees working for an Indian software company, MSource, supposedly used confidential client information to transfer client funds to themselves. The alleged perpetrators used the personal information of four NY-based clients to transfer ~$350,000 (Rs. 1.5 crores) in their names, a large sum in Indian currency. They were caught after the victims alerted the bank officials in the US, who then traced the crime to the Indian city of Pune. While the name of the bank has not been revealed, the article indicates that the bank in question is Citibank."
Just Wondering, are there other similar cases which were not solved?
# Also read this BBC article on Citibank's unethical conduct of business earlier.
Summer Camp to increase love for music!
"Hi: This is chitra sherman moderator for a Music school in bangalore, a non profit organisation. We are coming with a summer camp which is totally musically inclined. Music and Painting, musical theme for drama with public aware ness as the key words. I am enclosing the printed format. Warm regards. Chitra Sherman"
Friday, April 08, 2005
It's all happening at Crossword
# EVENT: 1.Book Launch. 2.Panel Discussion on "Indian competitiveness"
BOOK: MADE IN INDIA. AUTHOR: SUBIR ROY
1.Mr.Nandan Nilekani, CEO, Infosys
2.Mr.Ravi Uppal, CEO, ABB India
3.Mr.Harish Bijoor, CEO, Harish Bijoor Consults
4. Mr.G.Gurucharan, IAS
5. Mr.Prakash Gurbaxani, CEO, TransWorks
6.Mr.Subroto Bagchi - COO - Mindtree Consulting.
DATE/TIME: SATURDAY, 9TH APRIL - 6.00PM. VENUE: CROSSWORD. # 32 ACR TOWERS, OPP GATEWAY RESIDENCY HOTEL, RESIDENCY ROAD, BANGALORE - 560 01. CONTACT Ms.MADHU/ Ms.POOJA - 25582411 - 15
ABOUT THE BOOK:
Made in India is a study of Indian best practices. It looks at the globally competitive Indian sectors and companies, and seeks to find out what made them competitive in the first place; what makes them tick today; and what the future holds for them. A strong emphasis is laid on how the major players remember the past, interpret the present and foresee the future. The sectors covered include software; IT enabled services, pharmaceuticals, biotechnology, and dairying and milk products. Individual firms, which are covered, include Tata Steel, Reliance Industries, Larsen and Toubro, Bharat Heavy Electricals, Sundram Fasteners, Sudaram Brake Linings, TVS Motor, and General Electric. With this coverage, the book will be an interesting read to managers and policy makers.
All are welcome to participate in the question and answer session, which will follow the panel discussion. Please call Crossword for details. We are looking forward to your presence.
# Children Activities
CROSSWORD, ACR Towers, No 32, Residency Road, Opp. Gateway Hotel, Bangalore - 01. CONTACT: Madhu/Srimathi -25582411 - 15
Activities in the Month of April
1. 9th April - Fruit & Vegetable Party - Make vegetable masks taught by Mrs.Lata Satagopan and listen to interesting stories. Activity for the age group 3 -12 and Registration fee: Rs.35/-
2.SUMMER CAMP. DATE: 16th April 2005, Saturday - 23rdth April Saturday. Venue: Crossword. Timing: 11:30am - 1:00 Pm. Age Group: 3 and above. Registration Fees for Summer Camp - Rs.50 per event or Rs.250/- as package. KINDLY REGISTER WITH US IN ADVANCE
Day Event Reg fee Artist Age Group
16th April, Saturday. Lego Building. -. Lego. 3-8.
17th April, Sunday. Lego Building. - . Lego. 9-12
18thApril, Monday. Race around the world- Story based Activity. 50 Little Souls. 3-10
19th April, Tuesday. Origami. 50. Asuka - Japanese Origami Artist. 3 - 12
20th April, Wednesday. Food for Fun- Creative Lunch Box. 50. Mrs.Mili Jallan - Nutrition Advisor. 3 - 12
21stApril, Thursday. Creative Movement based fun games. 50. Mr.Sachin - Physician. 3 -12
22nd April, Friday. Clay Craft. 50. Ms.Kavitha Krishnamurthy & Ms.Menaka Menon. 3 - 12
23rd April, Saturday. Doll Making. 50. Ms.Kavitha Krishnamurthy & Ms.Menaka Menon. 3 - 12
30th April: Story based activity by Kathalaya - Age group - 3 & above - Reg Fees - Rs.35/-
VOICES in association with Souhardha Ookuta supported by ActionAid India Presents Mahesh Dattani's Final Solutions A powerful plea for tolerance and equality. By purchasing a ticket you will be supporting the Disability Information Resource Centre
Cast: (in alphabetical order) Amitha Sakariya | Rubi Chakravarti| Kartik S Kumar | Shiv Kumar | Nandita Abreo Prabhu| Ramesh Ramanathan | Swati Ramanathan | Arundhati Raja | Munira Sen | Shiva Subramanian
Chorus: C Ramakrishna Reddy | K Murthy | B David | Dinesh Mandoth | R Raghavendra | R Sriram | Ruchi M | Vignesh Ganesan | Santosh Raman | Edgar Fernandez | Mikhail Sen | Nayantara Abreo | Narayanan U M
Crew: Direction : Ashish Sen | Chorus Movement Direction : Shiva Subramanian| Set Design : Dimpy Menon | Light Design and Execution : Vivek Madan | Assistant Director : Sophie Martin | Music Design Vasudev Murthy | Music Advisor: Narayan Swamy | Properties: Poornima Matthan | Production Management: Vinitha Nambiar | Production Support : Prasanna Roy | Sudhindra
Grateful Thanks to Lalita and Shivram Ubhayaker and the Smriti Nandan Cultural Centre
Final Solutions - was written in 1992 and won the Sahitya Akademi award. Set against a backdrop of communal riots, Final Solutions is timeless and has a message for all of us.
Venues - Nani Arena - 16th and 17th April 2005 | Rangashankara 21st April and 3rd May 2005
Tickets - contact 25213901, 25213902 or 25213903
e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com or firstname.lastname@example.org
drop in:VOICES, # 165, 9th Cross, Indiranagar First Stage, Bangalore 560038
VOICES - Over the past 10 years, VOICES has worked with rural and urban poor, people with disabilities, street children and developed communication mechanisms to help them improve their lives. Through these efforts, education, health and income generation initiatives have been introduced both at the urban and rural levels. The Namma Dhwani community media initiative in Rural Karnataka is a case in point. Through cable audio, education, health and income generation activities of the local community have been strengthened. In recognition of its efforts, Namma Dhwani was awarded the International YEOMANS AWARD in February 2005.
The VOICES Information Resource Centre for People with Disabilities – a partnership between VOICES and the Office of the Commissioner for Disabilities is the first of its kind in the country. It comprises a daily help line that provides information related to access, health and employment issues. In doing so, it works to make the Equal Opportunities Act for Persons with Disabilities a reality. The Centre also provides call centre and vocational ICT training for people with disabilities.
It’s that time of the year ….Bangalore’s most reputed theatre workshop is here again. SPOT 2005
BANGALORE LITTLE THEATRE announces the annual Summer Project On Theatre : SPOT. SPOT 2005 is being held in association with Rotary Club Bangalore Cantonment. This workshop for theatre enthusiasts was started by BLT in the late ‘seventies. Since the mid ‘eighties it has become a regular annual event. A great many of the theatre community in Bangalore have been through BLT’s training and workshop productions.
? a training-cum-production project spread over about three months
? reputed for its end productions
? an opportunity for self discovery and expansion of range
? or anybody with interest in the theatre, from 16 to 60, reasonably fit
? but only for those committed to staying with the workshop for its entire duration
SPOT is the only world class training workshop in Bangalore that is also absolutely free – a reflection of BLT’s commitment to the promotion of the dramatic arts. The workshop is developed along scientific lines, incorporating the best training methods. The founder of SPOT is an internationally accredited professional trainer in the behavioural sciences and has specialized interest in training trainers.
The working pattern of SPOT is to devote full Sundays for the training sessions and to work on the chosen production project over the weekdays.
SPOT 2005 will open on the first Sunday of May. Enrolment will be limited, on a first-come-served basis, and finalized a week before the start. Applicants should be prepared to attend an orientation session, if needed, before the workshop commences. All interested should get in touch with the workshop coordinator with the following information as soon as possible:
Full name and address
Gender and age
Occupation – class, if a student
Any theatre experience
This information should be sent by e-mail to: vijaypadaki AT vsnl.net . No phone calls.
Thursday, April 07, 2005
India LCC Scene
Following are the aircraft aquisition plans of various airlines in India (source: CAPA). Things sure are hotting up!
India's existing carriers - Fleet plans
Airline Aircraft Timeframe
Air India 75 2010
Indian Airlines 70+ 2010
Jet Airways 60-65 2010
Air Sahara 40-50 2010
Air Deccan 75 2010
India's start-up carriers - Sample fleet plans
Airline Aircraft Timeframe
Kingfisher 35-40 2010
Air India Express 16 March 2006
Spicejet 20 2007/08
GO 20 2007/08
magicair 20 2007/08
East West 25 2007/08
Megabucks @ IITK
Megabucks, The Annual Entrepreneurship Competition of IIT Kanpur, is running a series of exciting events to be conducted on 9th and 10th April. Details on official website.
Trekking in Bandipur Forest - 16th & 17th April
"Wilderness Camp @ Bandipur Forest
Hi Mr. Anurag Jain
We are pleased to inform you that we are conducting a Wilderness Camp @ Bandipur Wildlife Sanctuary on 16th & 17th April ( Saturday & Sunday ), the details are as follows. We cordially invite you to take part in the same. If you need any more details, please feel free to be in touch with us.
Ph: 51281478 - Mob: 98456-95350
Wilderness Camp @ Bandipur Forest
BANDIPUR WILDLIFE SANCTUARY - (Area 874.2 Sq. Kms). Bandipur is situated in Chamarajanagar Dist., Karnataka. At a distance of 217 Kms. From Bangalore with a good approachable road. The Maharaja of Mysore created the Bandipur game. It is now a National park since 1973, and is brought under Project Tiger. This National Park is attached to two other National Parks i.e. Wynaad National Park of Kerala and the Mudumalai National Park of Tamil Nadu. This place is a paradise for wildlife enthusiasts ..............
Click here for Details Click here for Photographs
Dates : Dep from Bangalore - 16th April @ 7.00am ( Satuday )
Return to City - 17th April @ 8.00pm (Sunday )
Registration: Kindly click here for submitting the Regn form; immediately on receipt of your appn form,
we will mail you the confirmation slip with the reporting & other details
CARE, Vijayashree Builing, No.1, 3rd Floor, 18th Cross Malleswaram, Bangalore - 560 055.
Ph: 5128 1478 Mob: 98456 - 95350 URL: www.careadventure.com , Email: email@example.com
"Outside Mercy" - A Pedestrian Pictures Production
"Date: Friday 8th April, 2005
Venue: SCM House (near Priyadarshini Handlooms), Mission Road
Time: 6.00 pm
Suggested contribution: Rs. 50/-
We invite you to the screening of ¨Outside Mercy¨ a short documentary on the serious food crisis in the tsunami affected villages as also the loss of livelihoods.
A group of us have been actively involved in the relief and rehabilitation processes in the tsunami affected villages of TN and Pondicherry. While the mainstream media has been covering the sucess of the relief efforts, there are several issues that are being suppressed and need to be brought to the notice of the general public. These include issues of
exclusion in the relief process and discrimnation of dalits.
While we tried to write articles/notes/observations and get them published this more or less failed. As a result we have made a short documentary film that documents the losses and struggle of those thousands of people who have been severly affected by the tsunami yet have received little or no relief. Further, there is no plan to rehabilitate them as is
being done for the fisherpeople.
This short film is called ¨Outside Mercy¨ and is about 30 minutes long.
Hari (98441 84512)
On behalf of Pedestrian Pictures"
Wednesday, April 06, 2005
My Movies List
I am sort of a movie buff. Thought of publishing the list of movies I have on CDs. Most of them are DVD prints. DVDs are the best thing that's happened to movie buffs. DVDs are usually 4.7 gig in size, but thanks to better codecs and decryption technology, DVDs can be extracted as a much smaller file which can fit on a single CD. Codecs such as Divx, Xvid, and others have wonderful compression algorithms and hence result in much smaller file size while retaining the DVD quality. After I started watching DVD prints, I have stopped watching CDs altogether, as the difference in quality is real huge. Also, technology and software that can read separate subtitles files while playing movies is real boon at times such as when you are trying to understand British or Irish accent (e.g. Snatch) without any success! Hence, most of the movies I have are with subtitles files.
Anyways, here's the list of movies I have on CD (These are not the only movies I like, though. My complete list of movies I like is here.)
Tuesday, April 05, 2005
Ranga Shankara April Schedule
From Rangashankara newsletter:
"If March was a milestone in terms of new productions, we hope April will become one as far as successful re-runs go. Girish Karnad and Chaitanya come back with both the Arundhatis-Nag and Raja for a re-run of Images/Bimba. The Iqbal festival from Sanchaya will bring all time favourites like Sangya Balya, Kelu Janmejaya and Hamlet to RS audiences. Also making a foray into the Bangalore Theatre scene is Magic Lantern with Moonshine and SkyToffee from Chennai. All in all, plenty of action guaranteed for theatre lovers, not just at RS but at other venues in Bangalore as well. "
Important: All shows start at 7:30 pm. Auditorium doors close at 7.30 pm.
No late entry permitted. Mondays holiday. www.rangashankara.org T:26592777
Dates Play / Language Playwright / Director Troupe
Fri 1st Barrister / Kannada Jayavanth Dalvi / Balaji Manohar Top Cast / Bangalore
Sat 2nd Barrister / Kannada Jayavanth Dalvi / Balaji Manohar Top Cast / Bangalore
Sun 3rd Where there's a will / English Mahesh Dattani / Divya Raghuram Top Cast / Bangalore
Tue 5th Suryakanthi / Kannada A M Prakash Abhinaya Taranga / Bangalore
Wed 6th Suryakanthi / Kannada A M Prakash Abhinaya Taranga / Bangalore
Thu 7th The Final Rehearsal / English Pawan Kumar ACTor Company Theatre / Bangalore
Fri 8th Moonshine and SkyToffee / English Vaikom Muhammud Basheer / Rajiv Krishnan Magic Lantern / Chennai
Sat 9th Moonshine and SkyToffee / English Vaikom Muhammud Basheer / Rajiv Krishnan Magic Lantern / Chennai
Sun 10th Moonshine and SkyToffee / English Vaikom Muhammud Basheer / Rajiv Krishnan Magic Lantern / Chennai
Tue 12th A Heap Of Broken Images / English Girish Karnad / K M Chaitanya Ranga Shankara
Wed 13th A Heap Of Broken Images / English Girish Karnad / K M Chaitanya Ranga Shankara
Thu 14th A Heap Of Broken Images / English Girish Karnad / K M Chaitanya Ranga Shankara
Fri 15th Odakalu Bimba / Kannada Girish Karnad / K M Chaitanya Ranga Shankara
Sat 16th Odakalu Bimba / Kannada Girish Karnad / K M Chaitanya Ranga Shankara
Sun 17th Odakalu Bimba / Kannada Girish Karnad / K M Chaitanya Ranga Shankara
Tue 19th A Year In The Death Of Eddie Jester / English Gregory Argall / Spandan Mishra Carv / Bangalore
Wed 20th Huttadali Hutta / Kannada T P Kailasam / Dr. B V Rajaram Antharanga / Bangalore
Thu 21st Final Solutions / English Mahesh Dattani / Ashish Sen Voices / Bangalore
Fri 22nd Sihi Kahi / Kannada P D Sathish Chandra Fourth Corner / Bangalore
Sat 23rd Madness / English Adapted from Paulo Coelho's "Veronika Decides to Die" / Nayantara Roy Kameras / Bangalore
Sun 24th Madness / English Adapted from Paulo Coelho's "Veronika Decides to Die" / Nayantara Roy
Kameras / Bangalore
Tue 26th Edegaarike / Kannada Agni Shridhar / C Basavalingaiah Janasamskrithi / Bangalore
Wed 27th Sangya Balya / Kannada Chandrashekhar Kambar Sanchaya / Bangalore
Thu 28th Hamlet / Kannada William Shakespeare Sanchaya / Bangalore
Fri 29th Kelu Janamejaya! / Kannada Sriranga Sanchaya / Bangalore
Sat 30th Sattavara Neralu G B Joshi / B V Karanth Benaka / Bangalore
# Download the schedule as a MS-Word document here.
Monday, April 04, 2005
This blog in Hindi captures the essence of Kanpur so well! Gems like "Dukaan bete ki, Guarantee Baap ki" make you fall off the chair laughing! Not to mention the Kanpur classic from Thaggu ke Laddu: :"Aisa Koi Saga nahi jisko hamne thaga nahi".
Also from comments, a gem on Ambala!: "Makkhi, Macchar aur Naala; In sabse bana Ambala!"
Sunday, April 03, 2005
Yield Management: Show me the Money!
# Nice to see that CIO Magazine's prestigious 2005 Grand Enterprise Value Award goes to Marriott for its International's One Yield, an enterprisewide revenue management system. 'Marriott's One Yield delivers big on the company's mandate of enhancing the bottom line. One Yield automates most of the business processes associated with revenue management and suggests recommendations for room rates based on business logic'. Detailed case here.
# Babson (best institute for Entrepreneurship studies) Insight has this interview with Herb Kelleher About Building Leaders and How their Innovative People-culture has Lifted the Airline to Success - (Part 1).
# In-stat, a leading IT research firm, has come out with bold forecasts for the HD DVD and Blu-Ray Disc Sales. Amongst the findings: North America will tilt towards HD DVD, whereas Blu-Ray will have an advantage in the Rest of the World (RoW).
# Why Top Techies Take to the Skies
# Using Einstein’s Theory to Find Innovative Talent: Persons traveling at high speed may be greater than they appear. (FANTASTIC analogy, by thw way!)
Moonshine and Skytoffee
Magic Lantern, Chennai Presents Moonshine and Skytoffee. A Play in English Adapted from two stories By The Acclaimed Malayalam Writer Vaikom Muhammad Basheer. Directed by Rajiv Krishnan
On 8th, 9th and 10th April, 2005
At Rangashankara, J.P. Nagar, Bangalore.
Donor Passes Rs. 100/-
Available at Café Paradis at The Alliance Francaise (Vasanth Nagar), Crossword (Residency Road), Supermarket (Brigade Road), Sankars Book Shop ( St. Marks Road) and Rangashankara.
Saturday, April 02, 2005
I may have a bad haircut but..
.. you are downright ugly. That's the funny line I am always reminded of whenever I go for a haircut. And yesterday I had one. Enough said. Read the following Calvin Hobbes strips and get it.
Friday, April 01, 2005
As promised in my post on Self-Obituary yesterday, here's my own obituary as written by me. I wrote it an year back or so. Lotsa things have hapened in life since. Hence, it's time to update it! Anyways, here goes:
Anurag Jain was a fairly renowned person for his skills in setting up new businesses. That he didn't want to work for someone else, first struck him while working to improve the plant capacities by debottlenecking the processes and equipments at a big chemical plant. And thats when he decided to go back to school for some business education. His boss tried to stop him by telling him that he would be a real good chemical engineer in the long run, but Anurag had his mind set on doing something in the business world.
After the b-school, and a few false starts later, Anurag could establish a distribtion logistics business that turned the conventional supply chain wisdom on its head. That success led him to invest in other businesses such as retail and real estate, and to a small extent, in civil aviation.
Anurag's life was not without its share of problems. After few unsuccessful business ventures, he joined an automobile company as in-charge of IT. Very soon, he realized that he just couldn't do it, had a fight with the management and was fired unceremoniously. Once again on his own, he had to lead a tough life with no income. He lived in cheap hotels, dharmshalas while chalking out plans for the next phase of life. Later, he ran into trouble with local authorities for some of his business practices. He also had a troublesome phase when he had to let go of a close friend with whom he had co-founded the initial business. Even now, some of his business divisions continue to make losses and they need all attention they can to turn them around. And even though, the other profit-making divisions sort of offset these losses, Anurag wouldn't let go of the loss making ones because of strong emotional attachment.
As usual with worldly success, over the years, Anurag did change a bit. But the two things that didn't change about Anurag were his non-materialistic attitude and a will to help others. He led a simple life, and donated a lot of proceeds from his businesses to his childhood school and his engineering alma mater.
Anurag led a fairly good personal life too. He had a good marriage and a caring family. His wife always supported him in his risky ventures. So did Anurag by supporting all her career moves. Anurag built a steady network of friends who kept his ambitions firmly tied to the reality by giving him constructive feedback.
In the end, his was an ordinary life, fueled by a lot of ambition and a will to succeed. A lot remained to be done to fulfil his vision. And we are sure he would have completed it had he got a few more years.